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Poll: Are You Affected by the Government Shutdown?

by RestonNow.com January 3, 2019 at 4:45 pm 32 Comments

The partial federal government shutdown is nearing the two-week mark with no immediate end in sight.

Parts of the federal government shut down on Saturday, Dec. 22, after Congress and the White House failed to reach a spending deal. It remains unclear if or when the White House and congressional Democrats could negotiate a deal as President Donald Trump keeps a firm stand for $5 billion to pay for a border wall.

Yesterday (Jan. 2), Smithsonian museums and the National Zoo closed, joining National Parks around the country, according to news reports. Even though people got very concerned very quickly after the zoo’s beloved live “panda cam” went dark, the pandas and other animals will continue to get fed.

One place not affected by the shutdown — the Newseum — is offering federal workers who show their badge free admission.

Trump’s third government shutdown is impacting locals and visitors in the Washington, D.C.-area from furloughed federal workers to surprised tourists. (The longest government shutdown was 21 days during Bill Clinton’s presidency, in case you were curious.)

Now, on day 13, let us know if your work or D.C. plans have been affected by the shutdown.

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  • Mike M

    I am affected. In fact, I am mildly euphoric.

    • Why do you bother?

      You’re euphoric about people not being able to pay their bills?

      Nice.

      • Mike M

        If they can’t miss a paycheck and not pay their bulls, shame on them. We all know this is paid vacation for the louts! I know it. You know it. They know it. Take your DNC sob story and store it in a special place. OK?

        • Why do you bother?

          Keep talking, Mike. Next time, maybe, about a topic you actually know something about. There are MILLIONS of contractors who won’t get a nickel back.

          • Mike M

            That’s OK. Really. It’s OK.

          • Why do you bother?

            By the way, MORE ARE NOT.

          • Mike M

            Got any bias?

          • Why do you bother?

            As a matter of fact, no.

            Got facts, though. You should try them sometime.

            FACT: As of 2015, there were 2.6 contract or grant employees for each federal employee.

            Source: The True Size of Government, Paul C. Light, Douglas Dillon senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, founding director of its Center for Public Service, and vice president and director of the Governmental Studies program (now Governance Studies). Currently, Light is the Paulette Goddard Professor of Public Service at New York University’s Robert Wagner School of Public Service.

          • Mike M

            But your point does NOTHING to refute my point! Surely you can see that. Yes, there are a lot of these generally overpaid and under-worked people.

          • Why do you bother?

            And your source for “generally overpaid and underworked people” is?

            I’m forgetting my life motto:

            Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time an annoys the pig.

          • Mike M

            Personal experience. I believe my own eyes.

          • Why do you bother?

            So…. you are extrapolating your tiny personal experience into a global statement?

            There’s empirical evidence, for sure. See also: I’ve got some swampland in Nevada….

          • Mike M

            Not a global statement. A statement about an area where I have lots of experience.

          • 100yearsinReston

            Some great knowledge of statistics there, I see.

          • Mike M

            Dude, I have been over this. You can get stats to say almost anything. I used to do studies in an advocacy role.

          • 100yearsinReston

            Then you should know that a sample size of one is meaningless. But you continue to rely on that…

          • 100yearsinReston

            Mike M is a terrible person who cares for no one but himself. He also loves to talk about issues he only learns about from fake news.

          • Why do you bother?

            I see you’ve been here before. I 100% agree with your assessment.

          • Mike M

            Because you say so.

          • 100yearsinReston

            Because you have proven it t be true with your words.

          • Mike M

            So you are the interpreter and declarer of proof and truth? Good to know!

            By the way, they censored your comment on the wall. I don’t know why. My response:

            CATO is part of the swamp.
            1. Walls do work. They have worked for millennia. A wall from the Gulf to the Pacific is not the concept. Walls complicate the transgression. They make it easier to control the entire border with fewer resources.
            2. Most of the criminals who come over are not overstayers, unless they were caught violating the border and granted time here until their hearing, then . . .poof! This is fact. You are breathing propaganda. If you weren’t where is the proposal to stop overstayers?
            3. Does the DEA know where the drugs they don’t stop are coming in? Really?
            4. We can agree a wall across the whole border is not feasible.
            5. See 1 and 4 above.
            6. This is not what the CBP says. Walls enable concentration of surveillance resources.
            7. Yes, they work with other resources.
            8, Walls have worked for millennia. Hadrian’s wall, the Great Wall of China, the Berlin Wall, Walls in Gaza.
            9. So, walls block illegals from leaving, how come they don;t block them front entering? Is there left wing magic in walls?
            10. You do what you can with what you have.
            11. They are asking for less than that. MIT engineers are generally leftists.

          • 100yearsinReston

            No, but I use facts to support my argument. Like how 56% of Americans strongly oppose Trump’s boarder wall. CATO is libertarian which is kind of the exact opposite of the swamp, but you can take your “No True Scotsman” logical fallacy.

            1.) Wrong. According to you, no wall has ever been scaled or dug under.
            2.) Wrong. This is factually incorrect. You again are using fake news. (https://www.politifact.com/california/statements/2018/aug/24/kevin-mccarthy/mostly-true-visa-overstays-account-half-all-people/)
            3.) Yes, they do. But I suppose you are also an expert in law enforcement too now, huh?
            4.) Good.
            5.) Wrong and good, respectfully>
            6.) FALSE: This is why Trump has switched to saying “steel slots” San Diego Sector Border Patrol Chief Rodney Scott “the biggest problem is the outdated and ineffective fence. In some cases, there is no way for my agents to see who’s on the other side and if they pose a danger.” Facts matter.
            7.) Again, no they don’t.
            8.) Again, you are disputing facts from LEOs. But you know better?
            9.) You are surprised that it would take efforts to cross a border wall twice?
            10.) No, you are advocating wasting money to score political points with Trump’s base.
            11.) And Government projects have never had their cost estimates way off, said no one ever. And more partisan attacks. Surprise, surprise.

            “Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”

          • Mike M

            1. Wrong. I never said any such thing.
            2. Wrong. Your link points to a page that has no content. Also, what I said was true. What I neglected to mention is that the very dangerous people smuggling including sex trafficking comes overland.
            3. If they know, they ought to get it. But they DON’T know what they don’t know. So, . . .
            4. You have no refutation.
            5. Ditto.
            6. Steel slats are a form of wall.
            7. You have no refutation.
            8. I have history. I can offer a quote for everyone you offer. But you didn’t. Oh! Yes, I sometimes know netter than LEOs who are often not very educated.
            9. No refutation.

            10. No refutation and putting words in my mouth.

            11. See number 7 and 10.

            I wonder why they censored your comment?

            PS: You offered no facts. Just opinions.

          • 100yearsinReston

            1. Wrong, you said walls work. So, yes, you literally did say that. You realize there is a written record here, right?
            2. Wrong, I provided a source to back my claim. You keep making stuff up.
            3. That is the stupidest thing I have ever read on the Internet, congratulations.
            4. I have none because we agree? LOL
            5. Ditto.
            6. Still suffers from all the other issues enumerated here.
            7. Except for all the other facts I provided to you that do refute your claims, sure.
            8. You heard it here folks, Mike M believes that law enforcement is stupid.
            9. Except for my literal refutation (again), but sure. Cute way to ignore the argument.
            10. Except for my literal refutation (again), but sure.
            11. Except for my literal refution (again), but sure.

            My comment wasn’t censored.

            PS: I literally provided sources to back up my claims. You are relying on conjecture. You continue to bury your head in the sand when facts don’t fit your world view. Unfortunately though, “Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”

            https://i.imgur.com/M0bWify.gif

          • Mike M

            Indeed you are repeating yourself. You have yet to offer facts. You have ignored my statement. And now you put a Colbert clip in your response. Sure. I know your news source.

          • 100yearsinReston

            I am forced to repeat myself because you have the reading comprehension skills as a child. I thought pictures might help you understand since that is probably how you typically read.

            https://i.imgur.com/Pmxoooa.gif

          • Why do you bother?
        • 100yearsinReston

          Blame your President for this paid “vacation”. “I will shut down the government. I am proud to shut down the government. I will take the mantle.”-Donald Trump

          • Mike M

            He is in the right. He gave a rational and compassionate pitch last night (for a change). His opposition came across as the purely obstructionist twits that they are. While Pelosi may have an ounce of charm, Schumer comes across as a the used car salesman of all time.

          • 100yearsinReston

            “He is in the right.” Unfortunately, very few agree. Even the conservative CATO Institute came up with 11 reasons why the wall is a terrible idea:

            1. Walls don’t work. Illegal immigrants have tunneled underneath and/or erected ramps up and down walls to simply drive over them. People find a way. When East Germany erected its wall, it created a military zone, staffed by booted, machine-gun carrying guards ready to shoot to kill. Yet thousands managed to make it to West Germany anyway. More to the point, do we really want to model ourselves after communist East Germany?

            2. Most illegal immigrants are “overstayers.” They come to the US legally — for vacations, business, to study, etc. — and then STAY past their visas. By 2012, overstayers accounted for 58% (THE MAJORITY!) of all unauthorized immigrants. A wall is meaningless here!

            3. Walls have little impact on drugs being brought in to the US. According to the DEA, almost all drugs come in through legal points of entry, hidden in secret containers and/or among legit goods in tractor-trailers. A wall will have little to no impact on the influx of drugs into our country.

            4. It’s environmentally impractical. Walls have a hard time making it through extreme weather. For example, in 2011, a flood in Arizona washed away 40 feet of STEEL fencing. Torrential rains and raging waters do serious damage. Also, conservative sources generally do not address the environmental harm that walls create, but there is plenty of documentation available that show its potential for irreparable damage to both plant and animal life.

            5. A wall would forces the U.S. government to take land from private citizens in eminent domain battles. Private citizens own much of the land slated for the wall. The costs of the government snatching private land — and the legal battles that would ensue — are incalculable.

            6. Border patrol agents don’t like concrete or steel walls because they block surveillance capabilities. In other words, they can’t mobilize correctly to meet challenges. So in many ways, a wall makes their job more difficult.

            7. Border patrol agents say, “Walls are meaningless without agents and technology to back them up.” Are we prepared to pour countless billions annually — after the wall is built — to create a nearly 2,000 mile, militarized 24-hour surveillance border operation? Because according to patrol agents, that’s the only way a wall would work. Again, are we really, going to use East Germany, a brutal communist state, as our model here?

            8. Where walls have been built, there was “no discernable impact on the influx of unauthorized aliens.” In other words, they came in elsewhere, primarily where natural barriers such as water or mountainous regions precluded a wall.

            9. An unintended consequence is that a wall blocks farmworkers from EXITING when their invaluable seasonal work is done. Farmers are against the wall because it makes getting cheap seasonal labor almost impossible as few American citizens want or can even do those jobs. And if seasonal worker do get in, a wall makes it harder for them to leave! A wall traps migrant farm laborers in our country.

            10. Trump’s $5 billion is a laughable drop in the bucket for what would ACTUALLY be needed. For example, according to the Cato Institute: An estimate for a border wall area that only covered 700 miles was originally 1.2 billion. How much did it REALLY cost? SEVEN BILLION. And that’s only for 700 miles. Whatever we think it’s going to cost, experience shows us we have to multiply it by more than 500%.

            11. According to MIT engineers, the wall would cost $31.2 billion. Homeland Security estimates it at $22 billion. Given the pattern of spending mentioned in number 10 (plus Murphy’s Law), that means we’re really talking about pouring endless billions into something that doesn’t even work. And, of course, we taxpayers will be footing the bill, not Mexico. Given all the drawbacks, is that REALLY the best use of our taxes?

  • Why do you bother?

    Your poll is missing an option: Yes, I’m a federal CONTRACTOR, and not only am I on furlough, I won’t be getting back pay like the Feds will.

  • Snew1111

    I am affected as a non-federal worker – I am selling my home and our closing has been cancelled until further notice because the buyer has a USDA loan.

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